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Letter of Intent #101 Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Feast of St. Columba of Sens
31 December, AS XLI
Greetings from Myfanwy!
Enclosed pray find commentary on Æ LoI #101. Everything was
conflict
checked up through the August 2006 LoARs.
This would have been out a bit sooner (I really meant to get this out
*before* the last minute) but life intruded -- including having an MRI
done the day after Christmas, and last-minute problems with
transferring a file from one computer to another.
I remain your servant and the Society’s.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy@nauticom.net
1. Barbary Rose -- Gules, a dragon displayed and in chief a rose Or.
The online docs for the given name are as cited. Additionally,
Withycombe [pp. 41-42, sn Barbara] says:
The English form of the name was Barbary [sic], and
CMY says it was still so
pronounced by poor people in her time.
That spelling is, however, undated in Withycombe, although
<Barbery>
is dated to 1581.
The docs for the byname are all as cited.
I did a Google search [URL: http://www.google.com] and after weeding
out a bunch of sites -- probably not nearly enough -- found that there
is a Barbara Rose who is an art historian and another that is a New
Age medium, among numerous others. I doubt that any of them are
important enough to protect. [A second search, for the actual
submitted spelling, got both the submitter and an Arabian horse(!)]
clear of: Geoffrey
Mandragora (6/84 East) -- Gules, a wyvern displayed Or charged with a
rose sable.
There is a CD for the addition of the secondary charge, and one for
removing the tertiary charge. I’m not sure, especially given the
postures, whether there is a CD for the difference between a dragon
and a wyvern.
2. Clarice Roan (resub) -- Per fess azure and argent, a dove rising
wings displayed and inverted argent and a serpent embowed
counter-embowed gules.
I checked to see what the postures for snakes looked like, since some
of the blazons I found were for “glissant”. According to the PIC-DIC
[sn. Serpent], that term means “wavy”, but was not depicted. Parker
[p. 529, sn Serpent] describes one of the postures found as “gliding”
(which I presume is the same); the illustration for a serpent “erect”
seems to have a wavy body. I’m unsure whether the serpent in the
submission should be reblazoned as “glissant”, since it isn’t quite
the same posture.
possibly clear of: David of Bagulaly (4/06 West) -- Per fess azure
and argent, a dove rising, wings displayed, and three lozenges
counterchanged.
There is at least one CD for significant changes to the co-primaries;
I don’t think you get anything for the wing position on the dove,
however.
possibly clear of: Gwladys Chittenden (5/92 East) -- Per fess azure
and argent, a dove volant argent and three fir trees couped proper.
There is at least one CD for changes to the co-primaries; there may
also be one for the the bird’s posture.
possibly clear of: Gregory Whitehawk (7/99 Atenveldt) -- Per fess
azure and argent, a hawk displayed argent and a rose slipped and
leaved fesswise proper.
There is at least one CD for changing the type and partial tincture of
the co-primary; there may or may not be one for changing the type of
bird.
probably clear of: Damhnat Bebhinn Nic Oisdealbhaigh (8/86 East) --
Per fess azure and argent, in pale an eagle striking, wings addorsed,
bearing in its beak a heart Or, and a double-rose sable, barbed and
seeded proper.
There is at least one CD for changes to the co-primary’ there is
probably also one for the wing position on the bird (i.e., changing
from addorsed to displayed inverted).
3. Clarice Roan (badge) -- (Fieldless) A dove rising wings displayed
and inverted argent sustaining in its claws a serpent embowed
counter-embowed gules.
I checked to see what the postures for snakes looked like, since some
of the blazons I found were for “glissant”. According to the PIC-DIC
[sn. Serpent], that term means “wavy”, but was not depicted. Parker
[p. 529, sn Serpent] describes one of the postures found as “gliding”
(which I presume is the same); the illustration for a serpent “erect”
seems to have a wavy body. I’m unsure whether the serpent in the
submission should be reblazoned as “glissant”, since it isn’t quite
the same posture.
no conflicts found
4. Gunnar of the Endless Hills -- Purpure, two horses
combattant Or and on a chief argent, four roses gules.
The docs for the given name are as cited. Note, however, that both
citations are much later than what is generally considered “Viking”
age. Additionally, I’m not sure whether Finnish names can be equated
to Icelandic ones; however, Geirr Bassi [p.10] gives the name
<Gunnarr>, with 11 occurrences in the
Landnámabók.
Roses appear to be barbed and seeded proper in
color html copy. Additionally, the tincture of the field seems to be
pretty dark --
somewhere between blue and purple (although when looking at the dolor
html page on my desktop it wasn’t as bad as it appeared on the laptop.
clear of:
Frederic Martel (11/96 Calontir) -- Sable, two horses combatant and on
a chief argent three roses proper.
There is a CD for change of field (all things being considered) and
one for the tincture of the horses. Note, however, that there is only
change of number of tertiaries.
5. Onóra inghean Chonaill -- Vert, a seahorse argent and on a
chief Or three shamrocks vert.
I tried to do a Precedent dive to figure out if there is a CD between
a sea-horse and any other type of sea-creatures (at least the
fish-tailed type), but the rulings were few and far between. The most
relevant one I found was during Elsbeth’s tenure as Laurel, giving a
CD between a sea-bull and a sea-lion:
[a sealion vs. a seabull] [sic] There is a CD
between the two charges, but
while there is substantial difference between a bull and a lion,
there is not
a substantial difference between the two sea-beasts as the sea tails
sharply
reduces the difference between the two. [Ealasaid Nic Shuibhne
and Robert de
Bere, 07/01, [sic] R-Atenveldt]
As a result, some of the potential conflicts may be clear, due to
having a CD between the types of sea-creatures.
clear
of: Karen of the Emerald Sea (1/85 West) -- Vert, a seahorse erect
argent and a chief invected Or.
There is a CD for changing a complex line of division on the chief,
and one for adding the tertiaries.
possibly clear of: Rowan
Brianna MacLellan (1/90 Atlantia) -- Vert, a sea-griffin and on a
chief Or, three crosses crosslet fitchy vert.
There is a CD for changing the tincture of the primary charge (and
possibly one for type); there is only change of type of tertiary,
however.
possibly clear of: Rowena Jade of the Lion Isles (8/94 Atlantia) --
Vert, a sealion and on a chief argent three stepcut gemstones vert.
There is a CD for changing the tincture of the chief; there may or may
not be one for changing the type of primary charge, and there is only
change of type of tertiary.
clear of: Artemisia di
Serena (2/02 Caid) -- Vert, a sea-fox guardant between in chief two
tripod pipkins argent.
It is unclear from the blazon (and unclear from the LoAR) whether a
sea-fox is a sea-horse type creature (like a sea-horse) or a variant
of a sea-dog (which does not have a fish tail). However, there is at
least one CD for changing the pipkins to a chief, and another for
adding the tertiaries.
clear of: Jesse ap
Cedivor (10/87 Middle) -- Vert, a seawolf erect, on a chief Or three
paw prints gules.
There is a CD for changing the tincture of the primary charge (and
possibly one for type); there is also a CD for changing the type and
tincture of the tertiaries.
clear of: Isobel FitzGilbert (3/00 An Tir) -- Vert, a seagoat and on
a chief wavy argent three escallops inverted vert.
There is a CD for changing the tincture of the
chief, and one for
adding the complex line. There may or may not be one for type of
primary, and there is only change of type of tertiary.
6. Verederosa Dal Sol -- Per fess argent and vert, a rose
vert barbed and seeded and a sun in splendor Or.
The docs for both name elements are as cited.
clear of: Alaric the Fool (4/95 Outlands) -- Per fess argent
and sable, a fool’s cap per pale gules and vert, and a sun Or.
There is a CD for changing half the field, and one for changing the
type and partial tincture of one of the charges.
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