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Letter of Intent #121 Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Feast of St. Cadoc
25 September, AS XLIV
Greetings from Myfanwy!
Herein pray find the first half of the commentary on Æ #121.
Everything was conflict-checked through the May 2009 LoAR
(fortunately, everything up through April ‘09 appears to have been
inter-filed into the main O&A).
I’ll admit that I’m awaiting the *next* LoI with fear and trepidation,
given that this letter seems to be all pre-Pennsic submissions (not to
mention the 5- or 6-odd submissions from Coronation this past
weekend), and I’m about to have a pretty severe attack of Life this
fall.
In the meantime, however, I remain your servant and the Society’s.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy@nauticom.net
1. Angellino the bookmaker [sic] -- Per saltire argent and sable, in
pale, one roundel gules, three roundels in fess counterchanged of the
field, and one roundel gules.
I had a lot of trouble finding a better blazon for this. These are
best I could come up with (and I’m not completely happy with with
them):
Possible reblazon: Per saltire argent and sable, a roundel
counterchanged between in fess two plates and in pale two torteaux.
Possible reblazon: Per saltire argent and sable, a roundel
counterchanged between in cross two torteaux in pale and two plates in
fess.
no conflicts found
2. Bera of Tavastland (change from Marianna Molin di Salerno)
The docs for both name elements are as cited.
The combination of either Danish or Old Norse with Swedish has been
ruled one step from period practice [URL: http://www.
ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/weirdness_table.html].
3. Catherine of Oakden (new household name: Scholars Way)
The website in question *may* be one I found when doing a Google
search on the words in quotes [URL: http://thescholarsway.com/].
Unfortunately, it isn’t clear from the website whether this was how
the name was known in period, but just a modern designation for the
route.
A large number of the other Google hits seemed to be real estate sites
for various properties for sale or rent in different places; at least
one of those seemed to be for a modern house in what appeared from the
map to be a modern subdivision in Nottingham (which I don’t believe is
anywhere near the “route” between Oxford and Cambridge).
<Scholar> is a header form in Reaney and Wilson [section “S”, p.
395]
(as an apparent locative), citing <Adam del Scoler
[sic]> dated to 1332. According to the Compact OED
[vol. II, p. 2665 (showing pp. 209-12), “scholar” defined as “one who
is taught in a school” dates to c. 1055, in the spelling
<scholiere>;
defined as “one who studies in the ‘schools’ at a university, its
usage dates to 1303 <scoler>. The submitted spelling dates to c.
1605, with the definition of “one who is quick (or the reverse) at
learning” and comes from Rowley’s Birth of Merlin.
<Way> by itself can be found as a header form in Reaney and
Wilson
[p. 479], which cites the following names (all of which appear to be
locative bynames):
<Roger de Waie [sic]>, dated to 1194
<William Waye [sic]>, dated to 1236
<Richard de la Weye [sic]>, dated to 1249
<John ate Wey [sic]>, dated to 1279.
Cameron [Chapter 14, pp. 155-63] discusses the use of <Way> as a
locative place name element (as well as that of <road>,
<street>,
<lane>, etc. Icknield Way (an ancient trackway later utilized by
the
Romans) and Fosse Way were amongst the “special privilege” roads in
Norman times; this means that they were roads in which travelers were
protected by the King’s Peace. Cameron [pp. 160-61] says:
The four commonest names for roads and tracks of post-Roman
origin are Broad Way, Hollow Way, Ridge Way, and Salt Way. The
meaning of way [sic] in such names varies from
‘road’ [sic] to ‘small
track’ [sic]. Salt Way is particularly common in Worcestershire and
it
has been shown that there were formerly a dozen tracks of this name
leading from the neighbourhood [sic] of Droitwich.... Salt Way is
found
in counties other than Worcestershire both where salt- [sic] works
were
to be found and elsewhere, and it indicates a track used by pack
horses
to transport the salt....
[p. 161 Broad Way, Hollow Way, and Ridge Way are common and
are in many counties and numerous villages and also farms have been
named from them. Bradway (Db) [sic] and Broadway (So, Wo) mean
‘broad road’ [sic], Holloway (Db, Mx, Sr, W) [sic] ‘road running in a
hollow’ [sic] or ‘sunken road’ [sic], while Ridgeway (Db, K) [sic]
and
Rudgeway (St) [sic] mean ‘way along a ridge’. Some of the Ridge
Ways certainly take their name from ancient trackways....
Way [sic], OE weg [sic], is of
course common in minor names,
but in vil- [sic] lage-names, except for the compounds just discussed
and it has been estimated that only about 25 [sic] major names with
a second ele- [sic] ment weg [sic].... Only two names in -way
[sic]
certainly have an Old English personal name as first element,
Garmondsway (Du) [sic] from Gärmund, and Hanwell (O0 [sic],
earlier Haneway [sic], from Hana. Clearly ways
named after a person
was unusual.
There are several pages of definitions in Vol. II of the
Compact OED for “way” [from the bottom of p. 3712 to
nearly half of p. 3715 (reproducing section “W” pp. 199-209)]. Defined
as a track or road, the submitted spelling dates to 1304; as a
course of travel or movement, the spelling dates to c. 1440; in the
(obsolete) sense of guidance, the spelling dates to 1450-1530; in the
sense of a journey or pilgrimage (also an obsolete definition), it
dates to 1500. In completely different definition, that of a course
of action or manner, the submitted spelling dates to about 1500;
defined as a method in which something is done, it dates to 1563;.
I suspect that what the submitter *really* wants
is the meaning of
“Scholar’s method”, which does not feel particularly like the name of
a group. I could maybe see it as a locative byname (e.g. <Catherine
of Scholars Way>) if (and only if) we could document the actual name
as the name of a real medieval street.
4. Ciara de Ros -- Argent, in saltire two garden rose branches
flowered proper and a chief dancety [sic] azure.
There is a typo in the documentation for the given name. The source
is actually A Dictionary of Saintly
Women; a Google search turned up the book on Google Books
[URL:
http://books.google.com/books?id=PBgYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq
=%22A+Dictionary+of+Saintly+Women%22&source=bl&ots=xgAC8-kKnM&sig=K1WKZoBOhMXCq7f6Gb5KpM5jq0s&hl
=en&ei=DZCmSteOBo6w8Qapw9TrCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false].
Note that the “undated variant spellings” are subsidiary header forms.
ÓC&M [p. 50, sn Cera: Ceara] says:
Cera was one of the wives of Nemed, legendary invader of Ireland,
who,
according to medieval scholars, gave her name to Mag Cera (Carra)
[sic],
Co [sic] Mayo. There were also three virgin saints of the name
whose
feast-days [sic] are on 5 February, 8 February and 9 September.
ÓC&M [p. 51] also gives the name <Ciar>, saying:
The most important bearer of this name is St [sic] Ciar, virgin
patroness
of Killkearny (Cell Cére) near Nenagh, whose feast-days [sic]
are 5
January and 16 October.
The docs for the byname can also be found on Google Books [URL:
http://books.google.com/books?id=aYJmAAAAMAAJ&dq
=%22The+Scottish+Nation%22&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=80T-IQrRwd&sig=deOwKOvfTbJmIz
_u6XV6YB0Vm9w&hl=en&ei=9ZGmSorzA5KpnQe1_6W_Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q
=&f=false]. Note, however, I was unable to find the cite (the page
listed in the documentation is for completely post-period information,
and a search for the name “Robert de Ros” got no hits; neither of the
hits for <de Ros> yielded the cited information [pp. 265 and 342,
respectively] (in each case <Ros> was part of an element of
another
word).
The byname *can* be found in Black [p. 700, sn Ross], which says
“(1) The first record of this surname in Scotland is in Ayrshire, a
considerable
por- [sic] tion of the northern part of which in the twelfth century
was held
by a family of Ros or Ross, that came from Yorkshire.”
Black cites <Godfrey de Ros>, who witnessed a charter in 1189 (as
well as several other individuals, but those citations are undated).
How was this colored in? The tincture of the chief is so pale (even
in the enlarged version of the emblazon) as to be barely
distinguishable from that of the field; the tincture of the branches
is identifiable as being vert, but the flowers themselves look more
pink than red.
Given that a standard (i.e., heraldic) rose “proper” is gules, barbed
vert, seeded Or”, I’m not sure that you could in fact call these
“proper” -- you can’t see the seeding, if in fact the seeding is even
there.
By long standing Precedent, “garden roses” have been reblazoned simply
as “roses”; this dates at least as far back as Da'ud’s second tenure
as Laurel:
The commentary is in,
with a clear majority of commenters in favor of
adopting Baron Bruce's proposal that we continue to accept garden
roses
in SCA armory, but simply blazon them as roses
[sic]. As a consequence,
we will immediately and henceforth blazon a rose, whether the
default
heraldic rose or the garden rose, as a rose [sic].
(CL 11/94) [sic]
However, there is also a more recent Precedent,
from François’ first
tenure, which specifically delineates how such roses should be
depicted:
The roses are drawn as naturalistic roses (which, in days
past, were
blazoned as garden [sic] roses). The roses are
partially open. Please
advise the submitter to draw the roses as fully opened flowers.
These flowers are not the unregisterable rosebuds
[sic], which are
naturalistic roses in bud form, with the petals mostly closed. But
some
members of the College felt that this depiction was uncomfortably
close to that of the rosebud. [Skarphe{d-}inn
Irlandsfari, 11/03,
A-Drachenwald] [sic]
There may have to be a determination as to whether these are
sufficiently branch-like. Two Precedents from François’ first
tenure
discuss this issue:
This does not conflict with Rosalia O Brogan, Argent, two
rose branches
in saltire vert, each with a rose gules, and on a chief sable three
butterflies Or
[sic]. The rose branches in Rosalia's device are drawn
correctly so that
they are predominantly branches (ending in a small rose) [sic]. The
charges in this submission, originally also blazoned as rose
branches,
are drawn as roses slipped and leaved: the roses are at least half
the
visual weight of the charge. There is a CD between roses and rose
branches, and another CD by RfS X.4.j.ii for changing the type only
of tertiary charge on the chief. We acknowlege [sic] that there is a
decided
visual similarity between these two devices, but it is not quite
enough
to be a conflict under RfS X.5. The submitter also has a letter of
permission
to conflict with Rosalia O Brogan, rendering the issue moot.
[Abigail
O Brogan, 02/02, A-Ansteorra] [sic]
The blazon has been changed ... [sic] to indicate that this is a
rose branch
(where the main part of the charge is the branch and leaves) [sic],
rather
than a rose slipped and leaved (where the main part of the charge is
the
rose) [sic]. [Elennar Linwen, 12/02,
A-East] [sic]
Possible reblazon: two rose branches in saltire proper, a
chief indented azure.
Possible reblazon: Argent, two rose branches in saltire vert, [singly]
flowered gules, a chief dancetty azure.
probably clear of the aforementioned armory for Rosalia O Brogan --
Argent, two rose branches in saltire vert, each with a rose gules, and
on a chief sable three butterflies Or. There is at least one CD for
for changes to the chief (tincture and addition of the complex line),
and probably one for removing the tertiaries.
possibly clear of: Peregryne Windrider (4/06 East) -- Argent, in pale
a falcon [Falco peregrinus anatum] rising reguardant, wings displayed,
and in saltire a garden rose and a thistle, both slipped and leaved,
all proper.
There is at least one CD for the type and tincture of the co-primary
(or one for removing the co-primary and another for adding the
peripheral charge); there may or not be one for changing the types the
primary charge group (thistle to rose branch and rose/rose slip to
branch
possibly clear of: Gwendolyn Bonnivet (7/04 Æthelmearc) --
Argent, in
saltire a sword sable and a rose branch flowered of a single rose
proper.
There is at least one CD for adding the complex-line peripheral; there
may be one for type and tincture of half the primary charge group.
probably clear of: Adam Fairamay (badge, 10/08 An Tir) -- Argent, two
roses in saltire gules slipped within a wreath of ivy vert.
There is at least one CD for changing the secondary to a peripheral
charge (or one for removing the secondary and one for adding the
peripheral) and one for changing their respective tinctures; there may
also be one (but it may have to be pulled for a visual comparison) for
type of primary charge group.
5. Dáithí mór mac Chernaich -- Per chevron azure
and Or, two acorns
inverted Or and a tree stump proper.
I don’t have Woulfe. I tried to find the name in O’Brien’s “Index of
Names in Irish Annals” but the closest I found was the masculine given
name <Dathal> [URL:
http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Dathal.shtml];
there was only one name listed in the Raw Data <Dathailepiscopi, scribae,
& ancorite, h-ui
Duibleni [sic]>, dated to 817; a note for the name says
that the name is in the genitive form (i.e., <Dathail> rather
than <
Dathal>) due to sentence structure. I also found <Dathal> (but
not
<Dáithí>) in ÓC&M [p. 70] as a header
form; it says:
Perhaps from daith [sic] ‘swift, nimble’ [sic]. An
early name which occurs
amongst the people of Fermoy.
The docs for <mór> are not quite as cited. All of the
cites in the
Raw Data for that spelling that are not genitive forms of the name
(both with and without the accent) are capitalized -- and in fact the
genitive forms mostly seem to be capitalized as well.
The docs for the rest of the name appear to be more or less as cited;
however, it isn’t clear whether the patronymic should be lenited.
Krossa [URL:
http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#descriptivewithpatronymic]
says:
Whether the father's given name should be
lenited [sic] depends on
period and dialect. In late period some Gaelic dialects (mainly in
Scotland)
would lenite the father's given name, but otherwise the father's
given
name was not lenited in men's simple patronymic bynames. Note that
even in dialects that did normally lenite the father's given name,
they did
not do so if it started with the letter <C> or a vowel.
This suggests that the submitted name should be changed to
<Dáithí
Mór mac Cernaich> or <Dathal Mór mac Cernaich>,
to better reflect
documented spelling and grammar.
There is a Precedent from Elsbeth’s tenure as Laurel giving
substantial difference (by which I presume means at least a CD, if not
X.2 difference) between a tree and a stump:
There is substantial difference between a tree and a tree stump.
[Forgotten
Sea, Barony of,07/01,
A-Calontir]
According to the PIC-DIC [sn Acorn], the SCA default for acorns is
stem to chief (the mundane default being stem to base). Therefore,
this should probably be reblazoned.
Reblazon: Per chevron azure and Or, two acorns
Or and a tree stump
proper.
probably clear of: Aline de Seez (7.08 An Tir) -- Per chevron
azure and Or, a decrescent and an increscent argent and a tree blasted
and eradicated sable.
There is a CD for changing the types of all the charges and one
changing all of their tinctures.
possibly clear of: Rhiannon of Sevenoaks (7/01 West) -- Per chevron
azure semy of acorns and Or, in base a fox sejant guardant gules.
There is a CD for number of charges; there may also be one for
changing the type and tincture of of one of them (it isn’t entirely
clear in this instance whether the fox is considered as a separate
charge group from the semy).
possibly clear of:
Kristiana of Arden (1/02 Middle) -- Per chevron throughout azure and
Or, two Bowen crosses Or and a tree eradicated gules.
There is a CD for changing the types of all the charges; there may or
may not be one for changing the tincture of one of them.
possibly not clear of: Alix Coeurbois (10/84 Calontir) -- Per chevron
azure and argent, two crosses crosslet Or and a tree stump snagged
proper.
possibly not clear of: Richenza le Wydu (8/93 Outlands) -- Per
chevron azure and gules, two acorns slipped and leaved and a garb Or.
possibly not clear of: Richenda de Cameron (9/97 East) -- Gules,
three acorns Or.
possibly not clear of: Roderick O’ Rinne (12/91 Atlantia) -- Gyronny
azure ermined argent and argent, three acorns proper.
In each case there is a CD changes to the field; there may be one for
changing at least half the charges. However, there may or may not be
a CD for type; RfS X.2 says in part: 2. Substantially
Different Charges [sic] - Simple armory does not
conflict with other simple armory if the type of every primary
charge
is substantially changed....
Per chevron gules and argent, three oak trees
counterchanged [sic] does
conflict with Per chevron gules and argent, three fir trees
counterchanged,
because the type of charge has not been substantially changed; they
both conflict with Per chevron gules and argent, two mullets
and a fir tree
counterchanged because not all of the primary charges have
been
substantially changed.
This has most recently been addressed in a
Precedent from François’
second tenure as Laurel:
[Per chevron Or and vert, two trefoils and a tyger statant
counter
changed.] [sic] The device conflicts with Elvira the Invisible:
Per chevron
Or and vert, in chief three trefoils in fess and in base in saltire
a viol surmounted
by a bow, all counterchanged [sic]. There is one CD for
changing the number
of primary charges from four (or five) to three, but nothing for
changing
the type of the charge(s) in base since they constitute less than
half of the
charge group, and the already registered armory has more than three
charges in the group.
It was suggested in commentary that since the submission has only
three charges in the group, there could be a separate CD for
changing
the type of the bottommost of three charges two and one. However,
the
following precedent is directly applicable:
In addition, it should be recalled that the SCA protects
REGISTERED
[sic] armory. Because of this, the SCA considers changes to have
been
made from the registered armory to the armory currently under
submission, and has interpreted the Rules for Submission in the
manner
that gives the greatest protection to the registered armory, and
allows
the fewest possible differences for a change to armory. This
implies a
certain lack of symmetry to the ruling, because the interpretation
of a
change from "registered" to "considered" does not necessarily match
the
change from "considered" to "registered". [Siridean MacLachlan,
12/03,
R-Calontir] [sic]
Thus in this instance, we count the change in type first, not worth
a CD,
and then the change in number, giving us a total of only one CD.
[Mathew
Underell de Warewic, LoAR 10/2004, East-R] [sic]
6. Duncan von Halstern (badge) -- Per pale purpure and sable, a lion
rampant argent.
Note that the B&W mini is missing the line of division on the
field.
possibly not clear of: Charles Redmane (1/73 ??) -- Erminois, a lion
rampant argent, maned gules.
There is a CD for changing the field; the lion’s mane is probably less
than half of the charge.
conflict: Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk (important non-SCA arms; 12/94
Laurel) -- Gules, a lion rampant argent.
conflict: Wallace (important non-SCA arms; 8/99 Caid) -- Gules, a
lion rampant argent.
conflict: Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England (important
non-SCA arms; 12/94 Laurel) -- Sable, a lion rampant argent.
In each case, there is only a single CD, for changing the field.
probable conflict: Bohemia (important non-SCA arms; 12/94 Laurel) --
Gules, a lion rampant queue-forchy argent crowned Or.
probable conflict: Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester (important
non-SCA arms; 12/94 Laurel) -- Gules, a lion rampant queue-forchy
argent.
In each case, there is a CD for changing the field; it is unclear
whether the changes to the tail (i.e., forking, for those unfamiliar
with the term “queue-forchy”) counts for much (given that head
position generally doesn’t anymore), and the crown in the arms of
Bohemia is probably considered a maintained charge.
possibly clear of: Alienore di Paravano (6/81 Atlantia) -- Per
saltire gules and sable, a winged lion rampant, wings elevated and
addorsed, argent.
There is a CD for changing half the field, and possibly one for
removing the wings.
7. Elizabeth Archer -- Sable, two arrows inverted in Saltire [sic]
and overall an embroiderer’s needle palewise Or.
The docs for the given name are as cited.
I don’t have Bardsley. Reaney and Wilson [p. 13] gives the submitted
spelling as a header form and cites <Hugh le Archer
[sic]>, dated to 1199 (unfortunately, no later cites are given). The
name is also found in Black, which says:
This is an English rather than a Scottish surname, and there were a
few
fam- [sic] ilies of the name in Scotland until within a recent
period.
The latest of the period cites with the submitted spelling in Black
are for <Michael Archer>, dated to 1433, and <Thomas
Archer>, dated
to 1439; additionally, <Jhonne Archar> is dated to 1551.
I’d say that the name is fine. If the Bardsley docs are as cited, it
might even rate a “good name” from Laurel.
I’m not sure what makes this specifically [and
heraldically] “an
embroiderer’s needle” (in modern terminology, embroidery needles have
sharp points and large eyes, unlike tapestry needles, which have blunt
points, or “sharps”, which have small eyes). It may get reblazoned
just as “a needle”. According to the PIC-DIC, it is in its default
orientation (i.e., with the point facing down.
possibly clear of: Gemma Taylor (12/95 Middle) -- Sable, a
sheaf of needles argent.
There is a CD for tincture; there may be one for changing the type and
orientation of more than half the charge group.
possibly clear of: Ian Griffen the Archer (badge, 4/99 Atenveldt) --
(Fieldless) A sheaf of three arrows inverted Or, fletched vert.
There is a CD for field vs. fieldless. There may or may not be one
for partial tincture, depending on how prominent the fletching is,
additionally, there may or may not be one for type and orientation of
one-third of charge group.
possibly not clear of: Michael of York (12/75 ??) -- Gules, a sheaf
of three arrows bound by a serpent coiled to sinister guardant, all Or.
There is a CD for the changing the field. By Precedent from
François’
first tenure as Laurel, a conflict was called between Michael’s armory
and and a similar looking submission because the serpent was deemed to
be a maintained charge, not an overall charge:
[Two arrows in saltire surmounted by a double-bitted axe
Or] [sic] Conflict
with the device of Michael of York, Gules, a sheaf of three
arrows bound
by a serpent coiled to sinister guardant, all Or. ... [sic] The
arrangement
of the charges has not changed: a sheaf of three arrows consists of
two arrows in saltire surmounted by a third arrow. RfS X.4.e only
gives a CD for changing the type of a group of charges when at least
half the group has changed in type. Here only one-third of the group
has changed in type. The serpent binding the sheaf in Michael's arms
is effectively a maintained charge, and its addition or deletion is
not
worth difference. [Conall of Twin Moons,
08/02, R-Atenveldt] [sic]
In this case there is a change of type of only one of the charges, but
change of orientation of two of the three; there is nothing for
removing the serpent.
possibly clear of: Sveinn inn kyrri Grimsson (2/08 Lochac) -- Per
saltire sable and gules, an arrow inverted surmounted by two arrows in
saltire Or.
There is a CD for changing the tincture of half the field; there is
may one for changing the orientation of the charge group.
possibly not clear of: Bruce the Long-Winded (6/80 Atenveldt) --
Sable, two arrows in saltire surmounted by a third palewise, all
inverted, and in base a longbow fesswise Or.
There is a CD for removing the secondary; there is probably not a CD
for type and orientation of the overall/central charge of the group.
possibly not clear of: Eadan of Tir-y-Don (1/05 Atlantia) -- Per pale
azure and purpure, a rapier and overall in saltire two arrows inverted
Or.
There is a CD for changing the field; there may not be one for
changing the type and orientation of only one of that group.
probably clear of: Don the Archer (10/76 ??) -- Sable, two arrows in
saltire, in chief a tulip-tree slip fesswise Or.
There is a CD for removing the secondary; there may be one for the
orientation of the arrows. There may or may not be one for number,
since the sheaf is considered a single charge group; there is a
Precedent from François’ first tenure which states:
Quoting from the LoAR of June 2001, "A sheaf is considered a single
charge, therefore there is [... a] [sic] CD for changing the type of
the
secondary charges." [sic] Here, we have changed the type but not
the
number of secondary charges: we have changed two open books to
an arrow-sheaf and a tulip-sheaf. [Bjorn Krom
Hakenberg, 07/03,
R-Atenveldt]
possibly not clear of: Miles Oakeley (3/84 Atlantia) -- Sable, two
arrows inverted in saltire Or between in fess a decrescent and an
increscent and overall a battle axe argent.
There is a CD for removing the crescents, but there may not be one for
changing only the center charge of the group; this type of arrangement
has been recently addressed i a Precedent from Shauna’s tenure which
says in part:
[Azure, two fire
arrows crossed in saltire argent enflamed gules fimbriated Or,
surmounted by an urga argent] [sic] The arrows, except for
the flames, are argent [sic]. Thus, as noted by Ounce, this
conflicts with Gillian Olafsdottir
d'Uriel: Azure, three staves crossed at the nombril point
argent [sic]. The urga
is essentially a staff, so X.2 does not apply, leaving just one CD
for changing
the type of two of three charges in a sheaf and nothing for the
enflaming
nor the point where the charges cross.
8. Euriol of Lothian (device change) -- Vert, on a bend sinister
doubly cotised argent three mullets vert.
The cotises are very thin line. What does her old armory look like
(and is this depiction grandfathered to her)?
clear of: Guillaine Rosalind de Gaulle (10/08 An Tir) -- Per pale
sable and gules, on a bend sinister doubly cotised argent a
fleur-de-lys palewise per pale gules and sable between a fleur-de-lys
palewise gules and a fleur-de-lys palewise sable.
There is a CD for changing the field, and one for cumulative changes
to the tertiaries.
clear of: Leslie the Brown (6/86 Ansteorra) -- Vert, on a bend
sinister argent a Hermit Thrush [sic] close proper. [Hylocichla
guttata]
There is a CD for adding the cotises, and one for cumulative changes
to the tertiaries.
probably clear of: Christian of the Faeroes (3/91 West) -- Vert, on a
bend sinister between an arrow and an arrow inverted argent, five
mullets palewise vert.
There is at least one CD for changing the type and number of
secondaries; there is probably also one for changing the number and
orientation (i.e., from palewise to the default of following the line
of the bend sinister) of the tertiaries.
clear of: Julina de Beaumont (10/01 An Tir) -- Vert, on a bend
sinister cotised argent three lilies palewise sable.
There is a CD for changing the number of cotises, and/or one for
cumulative changes to the tertiaries.
9. Katerina Alleye, called Kitalia
Do we actually register alias names or nicknames? Is there any
documentation for the alias?
The *supplied* docs for all name elements are as cited. However, no
evidence is provided for either the actual nickname, nor is any
documentation provided for the name grammar. A quick Google search
suggests <Kitalia> *might* be [modern] Turkish or Afghani (I
found
some hits for a Afghani restaurant by that name in Newcastle Upon
Tyne, England) . Or a the name of a World of Warcraft character, or
that of a character in some “Sailor Moon” fanfic (sigh).
The nearest analogous form I can think of offhand is for Æleric
Smythe
[pronounced "Basiliskus"] (but that is apparently
*not* registered -- I had to look him up in the Kingdom OP for the
spelling).
10. Khristian Pykh -- Quarterly vert and sable, two spears in saltire
argent.
The docs for the given name are as cited (note that the patronymic
<Khristianova> is a femininized form; I presume the masculine
form
would be <Khristianov>).
The docs for the byname are as cited.
This has been redrawn on updated forms, and also to make the spears
look like they’re really spears. (NB: I had previously noted that the
original emblazons were, in addition, obviously different two
different drawings, which is probably grounds for return, by section
V.B.2.e in the Admin Handbook [URL: http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry
/laurel/admin.html#IV.B].
possibly clear of: Jesca of the Flaming Hair (1/92 Caid) -- Quarterly
vert and sable, a garden rosebud slipped and a kris in saltire argent.
There is a CD (possibly X.2) for changing the types of the charges,
but none for arrangement or tincture; there is probably not one for
orientation either.
possible visual conflict: Aldred Colson (8/83 Atenveldt) -- Quarterly
vert and sable, a saltire between in pale two crescents argent.
There is a CD for removing the secondaries. There may be one for
type, but the arrangement of the charges may be too close visually to
the saltire.
clear of: Stefen Miluh (9/73 ??) -- Vert, two lances in saltire
argent and in chief a cock’s head erased reversed Or.
There is a CD for changing half the field, and one for removing the
secondary.
11. Snaebjorn of Tavastland (name change from Dagr snæbj{o,}rn
Bjarnarson)
The docs for both elements are as cited.
The combination of either Danish or Old Norse
with Swedish has been
ruled one step from period practice [URL:
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/weirdness_table.html].
I don’t see why the submitted spelling of the given name would
be a problem, since the submitter does not appear to have asked for
authenticity.
12. Thomas Ouswwod [sic] (badge) -- (Fieldless) A lantern vert.
There appears to be a spelling error for the name, which is actually
<Thomas Ouswood>. The name was registered 9/00, via
Æthelmearc.
no conflicts found
13. Ullrych Sturm
The docs for both name elements are as cited.
Good name!
14. Ulrych Volckhart
The docs for both name elements are as cited.
Good name!
15. Verena von Talhain (name and device resubs) -- Vert, a hedgehog
rampant and on a chief argent an ivy vine vert.
The docs for both name elements are as cited.
Good name!
probably clear of: Theodora von Igelheim (3/09 Middle) -- Vert, a
hedgehog rampant argent maintaining a sword Or hilted sable and a
foaming beer stein Or headed argent.
There is at least one CD for adding the charged chief; however, there
is nothing for the maintained charges.
probably clear of: Luciana of the Ivy (9/92 Atenveldt) -- Vert, a
candle argent lit proper, on a chief argent an ivy vine vert.
This should be clear by X.2; it is simple armory, with no more than
two types of charges on the field.
probably clear of: Caiterína inghean Chathail (8/98 Outlands) --
Vert, a winged ram rampant argent, on a chief argent three shamrocks
vert.
This may be clear by X.2. Certainly there is a CD for type; because
this is simple armory, X.4.j.ii should apply: ii. For armory that has no more than two types of
charge directly on
the field and has no overall charges, substantially changing the
type of all
of a group of charges placed entirely on an ordinary or other
suitable charge
is one clear difference. Only the new submission is required to meet
these
conditions in order to benefit from this clause. A charge is
suitable for the
purposes of this rule if (a) it is simple enough in
outline to be voided, and (b) it is correctly drawn with an
interior substantial
enough to display easily recognizable charges.
16. Vincenzo da Loria -- Per pale azure and argent, two chevronels
counterchanged and in dexter chief a winged lion rampant.
The documented spelling cited in Ary’s article on Venetian names is
for <Vicenzo>, not <Vincenzo>; however the
other docs are as cited.
The docs for the byname appear to be as cited. I was hoping to find
confirmation of one of the cited spellings elsewhere, so I checked the
Hicks article “Mercator’s Place Names of Italy in 1554” [URL:
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/maridonna/
mercator/] but the name did not appear to be listed in any form.
Another website, [URL:
http://comuni.classitaly.it/it/index.php?id_g=3485] says:
Una località denominata "Aurilia" compare in un documento del
972 (vedi sopra) e, sulla base di ardite ricostruzioini topografiche
effettuate sulla scorta del documento, alcuni storici hanno creduto
di
poter far coincidere "Aurilia" con Loria.
[Google.com translates this to say:
Uncertain is the derivation of the place name. A place called
"Aurilia"
appears in a document dated 972 (see above) and, based on
topographic
bold ricostruzioini made on the basis of the document, some
historians
have believed it possible to match "Aurilia with Loria. It seems
more
credible the hypothesis proposed by historian Olivieri that favors
the
personal name derived from the Latin "Aurelius", perhaps the owner
of a bottom in these places.]
(Yeah, it’s a wonky translation....)
Another link from the same site says:
Aspetti storici:
Interessante riguardo a questo luogo è sapere che la via romana
Aurelia, via vicinale che partiva da Padova e saliva ad Asolo ed a
Feltre,
doveva passare per questa terra, onde si ritiene che qui, a guardia
di
detta via, fosse posta, come usavano i romani fare, una mansione o
stazione militare, che venne poi chiamata mansio aurelia, nome che
col procedere dei tempi si cambiò in Aurelia, Aurilia, Lorgna
nel
1175,
Lorlea nel 1221, Lorlia e finalmente con quello di Loria.
[Google.com translates this to say:
Historical aspects:
Interesting about this place is knowing that the Roman road
Aurelia,
via vicinal [sic] that left Padua and Asolo saliva and Feltre, was
traveling
through this land, so it is considered that here, guarding this
route, be
put, as they used to the Romans do, a job or military station, which
was
then called mansio aurelia, a name with the progress of the times
changed
to Aurelia, Aurilia, Lorgna in 1175, Lorlea in 1221, and finally
with Lorla
to Loria. According to other historians the name of Loria would
result
from a local family the De Loria.]
That suggests that the medieval spelling might be either <Lorgna>
or
<Lorlea> ; although there is a still a couple of hundred year
difference between the name elements, it is probably registrable in
some form (possibly <Vicenzo da Lorlea>, which appears to be the
closest match of the name elements temporally). What changes, if any,
does the submitter allow?
Part of the blazon appears to be missing: the winged lion is argent.
The chevronels are way too small (they’re the primary charge group)
and also much too flat -- they need to be drawn with a more acute
angle (90° or -- preferably -- less). In addition they appear to be
abased, which may be grounds for return; there is a relevant Precedent
from Shauna’s tenure:
[Sable, a chevron vair] [sic] Please instruct the
submitter to draw the
chevron higher up on the shield. As drawn, this is as low on the
field
as a chevron can go without being returned. [Robert of
Calais, 05/04,
A-Atlantia] [sic]
A similar Precedent is from François’
first tenure:
[a chevron abased] [sic] The chevron
abased here is too far to base to
be acceptable without documentation for such a design in period.
Overly enhanced ordinaries have been a reason for return for many
years as non-period style: "These bendlets are enhanced so much to
chief that the style becomes unacceptably modern" (LoAR January
1992) [sic]. Overly abased ordinaries suffer from the same problem.
This type of Precedent dates back to at least Da’ud’s first tenure:
[A <charge> and
a chevron abased] [sic] "Conflict with... [sic] a chevron.
There is only one CVD for the addition of the <charge>." [sic]
[This
implies no difference for abasing the chevron] [sic] (LoAR 8/91 p.18)
[sic].
no conflicts found
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