1: Æthelmearc, Kingdom of - New Transfer of Heraldic Title
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 1998, via Æthelmearc.
Comet Pursuivant
The Kingdom of Æthelmearc desires to transfer the heraldic title, Comet Pursuivant to the Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands. This is permitted per the Administrative Handbook, II.B.4.b., which states:
b. Other Branch titles: Titles for heralds in service to local branches. These may be registered to the kingdom to which the branch belongs or to the branch in which they will be used, at the discretion of the kingdom. In either case, the kingdom must approve the form of any heraldic title.The appropriate paperwork has been filed.
2: Aileisabaiþ Hlasa - New Name
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (Visigoth) most important.
Culture (Visigoth) most important.
This name is intended to be Gothic for "Elisabeth the cheerful."
Aileisabaiþ - Gothic for "Elizabeth" Codex Argentius Upsaliensis <http://app.ub.uu.se/arv/codex/faksimiledition/jpg_files/136lc1u.html> shows this name. A transcription at Project Wulfila <http://www.wulfila.be/gothic/browse/text/?book=3&chapter=1>, shows Luke 1:7 states
jah ni was im barne, unte was Aileisabaiþ stairo, jah ba framaldra dage seinaize wesun. -- And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
hlasa - Gothic for "merry, cheerful, joyous". Project Wulfila <http://www.wulfila.be/gothic/browse/token/?ID=T47033> refers to Hlasana and quotes Corinthians II, 9:17 from the Codex Ambrosianus
hvarjizuh swaswe fauragahugida hairtin, ni us trigon aiþ þ au us nauþ ai, unte hlasana giband frijoþ guþ . -- Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.Further, an analysis from the same site states: Lemma *hlas : adjective (inflection: Adj.a). This is a strong Masculine Accusative Singular with its adjective form ending in -a. This is supported by the Indo-European Etymological Dictionary <http://www.indo-european.nl/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=leiden&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cgothic &first=1881> shows that the Gothic hlas* means "cheerful, merry, happy" and is derived from the Latin hilaris and the Greek hlasoza. It is confirmed by the Germanische Bibliothek at Project Wulfila <http://www.wulfila.be/lib/streitberg/1910/HTML/B058.html>. The Wikipedia article on Gothic language <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_language> Shows that the weak declension masculine adjective ends in -a: as laga manna. This is confirmed by An Introduction to Gothic, Lesson 4 <http://members.terracom.net/~dorothea/david/gothic/lesson4.html>.
On Gothic naming practices: Academy of St Gabriel, Report 1928 <http://www.s-gabriel.org/1928>, dated 11 February 2000, reports that
We also found some examples of Gothic bynames recorded in contemporary Latin records. A typical example of a woman's name is <Isilo cognomento Sisina>, recorded in Iberia in 803. This name men "Isilo nicknamed Sisina."From this example and others in the same report, we believe the scribal form would have been Aileisabaiþ (Aileisabaith) cognomento Hlasa. We believe that dropping cognomento, which is a scribal tool that logically would not have been used in common practice does not pose a problem here.
Name Comments:
Nicolaa de Bracton
(Trillium) at 2010-05-03 08:27:48 (
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Nice job with the Gothic documentation. The only question I would have
would be whether Elizabeth was a name used by the Visigoths. I know it
is both a Biblical and a saint's name, and that the pool of known
Visigothic women's names is fairly small, but I can't say I recall
seeing a woman named anything other than a Germanic name in either
Visigothic or Ostrogothic culture--this includes well after both
branches became Christians. (Franks, likewise, did not generally use
Biblical names). You might be able to make a case for a Roman name (as
Roman and Germanic naming practices existed side-by-side in the early
years of the Germanic kingdoms in Italy, Spain and France) but I do not
believe Elizabeth was a commonly-used name by the Romans, either.
Jeanne Marie Lacroix
(Noir Licorne) at 2010-05-03 13:24:33 (
Reply )
The Gothic Bible was period: "Incidentally, it was in the city of
Antwerp that fragments of the Gothic Bible were published for the first
time ever. In 1569, Ioannes Goropius Becanus printed samples from the
Codex Argenteus (viz the Lord's Prayer and citations from Mark) in his Origines
Antwerpianae.
His (mostly erroneous or biased) attempts to identify and interpret the
language sparked the interest of other philologists and can be
considered the start of Gothic philology (see Van De Velde 1966 pp.
24-35 for a detailed account; von Friesen & Grape 1928 pp. 128-129,
Stutz 1966 pp. 83-84)." [http://www.wulfila.be/]
Concerning the first reference: "Codex argenteus - the "Silver Bible"
in Uppsala University Library is the most comprehensive still existing
text in Gothic language. It contains what is left of a luxury book of
the four gospels, an evangeliarium, written in the early sixth century
in Northern Italy, probably in Ravenna, and probably for the
Ostrogothic king Theoderic the Great. The text is part of Wulfila's
translation of the Bible from Greek to Gothic, made in the fourth
century." [http://app.ub.uu.se/arv/codex/faksimiledition/jpg_files/000_intro.html]
The web verision is a digitalization of a 1927 facsimile edition.
Whether or not the name was used, it was known. This is probably
sufficient to grant the submitter the benefit of the doubt and register
the name she desires.
Nicolaa de Bracton
(Trillium) at 2010-05-14 14:40:49 (
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I had no question about the validity of the Gothic Bible as a period
source or even that the name means something akin to "Elizabeth the
Cheerful" in the Gothic language.
The question I have is whether the name is authentically a Visigothic
name (as opposed to a name in the Gothic language, or that would have
been recognized/understood by a speaker of Gothic). If this is not
important to the client, there's less of an issue.
I also recognize there's a dilemma with Gothic names--the pool
of known Gothic names is not large and there are not many women's names
amongst them, and since Wulfila's Bible is the largest chunk of writing
in the Gothic language, it's one of the few places you'll see names
actually IN Gothic. Most other Gothic names have likely been Romanized
(Theoderic is a great example - his name in Gothic was likely something
closer to Thiudreiks).
Ursula Georges (Green
Staff) at 2010-05-15 12:40:20 (
Reply )
Amory's People and Identity in Ostrogothic Italy
makes a pretty good case for Ostrogothic ethnic identity as fluid
rather than fixed. He provides multiple examples of Gothic and Roman
names mixed within the same family, and notes that some people used
both a Gothic and a Roman name. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised to find a
Goth using a non-Germanic name. But I agree that we don't have any
evidence for a pattern of Goths using Biblical names; I, too, would
prefer to find an example of a form of Elizabeth used in a Roman
context.
Ursula Georges (Green
Staff) at 2010-05-15 18:27:27 (
Reply )
I checked Morlet's book on personal names from Gaul, to see whether I
could turn up any late Roman instances of Elizabeth. The earliest I
found is an <Elisabeth> dated prior to 779. Morlet mentions an
instance of <Elisabeth> in Le Blant's Inscriptions
chrétiennes de la Gaule, but checking the text on Google
Books ( http://books.google.com/books?id=ADU_AAAAcAAJ
, p. 258) I see that the reference there is to the Biblical Elizabeth
and her husband Zachary.
Morlet also gives examples of <Elisaba> and <Elisabia>; she
claims these names are Roman in origin, and derived from
<Elisabeth>.
3: Alessandra Grazzini - New Name & New Device
Gules, a decrescent argent and in chief three mullets Or
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for Italy, 15th century.
Language (Italian) most important.
Alessandra - This names appears in Jo Lori Drake (Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale), Italian Renaissance Women's Names <http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/italian.html>.
Grazzini - Family Names Appearing in the Catasto of 1427 <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto/family_names.html>, cites this name.
We find the device to be close to but clear of: Conrad von Regensburg, September of 1973: Gules, a decrescent beneath a chief nebuly argent. One CD for removing the chief and 1 for adding the mullets. Also close to but clear of: Turkey, December of 1994 (via Laurel): Gules, between the horns of a decrescent a mullet argent. One CD for number of mullets and 1 for position of the mullets. Also, Close to but clear of: Shirin al-Adawiya, December of 2003 (via Atenveldt): Per bend gules and purpure, in chief three mullets of eight points and in base a decrescent argent. 1 CD for the field, a second CD for the tincture of the mullets. Also, clear of: Drusticc inigena Eddarrnonn (6/05 Lochac) -- Gules, a crescent bendwise sinister argent. There is a CD for changing the orientation of the crescent, and one for adding the secondary charge group. Clear of: Lourana Moonwind (10/85 Atenveldt) -- Gules, a decrescent moon within an orle of mullets Or. There is a CD the tincture of the decrescent and at least one for changing the number and arrangement of the mullets. Clear of: Aigiarn Aljin (12/03 Outlands) -- Gules, three crescents in pall inverted horns to center argent between three mullets of six points Or. There is a CD for changing the number of crescents, and one for for the arrangement of the charges (but nothing for type of secondary). Clear of: Croatia, Ancient (important non-SCA arms, 1/00 West) -- Azure, in pale a mullet of six points Or and a crescent argent. There are CDs for changing the field, for orientation of the crescent, and for number (but not type) of mullets. Clear of: Aelfric MacRancan (10/02 An Tir) -- Vert, a decrescent and in chief three mullets of eight points Or. There is a CD for changing the field and one for the tincture of the decrescent.
Name Comments:
Alisoun MacCoul
of Elphane (Metron Ariston) at 2010-05-12 20:01:14 (
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The name can be documented entirely from the Catasto since Alessandra
appears three times in the source material in Mittleman's "Feminine
Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto).
I wonder, however, whether this really should be considered clear of
the name of the name of Alessandra Grissoni, registered through the
West in November, 1997. The given names are identical as are the
beginning and end of the byname which both share a three-syllable shape
and the internal double s/z sound.
Fridrikr Tomasson
(Garnet) at 2010-05-12 20:10:26 (
Reply )
I think that Grazzini is sufficiently different
in sound froom Grissoni to be clear of conflict.
Domhnall na
Moicheirghe (Goutte d'Eau) at 2010-05-12 20:27:50 (
Reply )
In modern Italian, "zz" marks the sound /dz/ or /ts/ whereas "ss" marks
the sound /s:/, so unless period Italian was different, I would suggest
Grazzini does not conflict with Grissoni by sound or spelling.
Elizabeth Turner
de Carlisle (Lion's Blood) at 2010-05-13 13:40:37 (
Reply )
The sound difference between /grah/TSEE/nee/ and /grih/SOH/nee/
is fairly significant to my ear.
4: Alethea Cowle - New Name
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for England, 16th century.
Alethea - Header form in Withycombe who states, "the earliest example noted in England was Aletheia Talbot who married the Earl of Arundel in 1606." This places the given name in the SCA "grey area", but as such it should be registerable. This should especially be true as it seems highly likely that Mistress Aletheia was older than 6 at the time of her marriage.
The on-line "English Women Writers" website, <http://www.itergateway.org/mrts/earlywomen/index.cfm?action=showwriter&id=378> cites Aletheia Talbot as having lived from 1584-1654. She wrote several texts. Further the same site <http://www.itergateway.org/mrts/earlywomen/index.cfm?action=showwriter&id=379>, cites Aletheia Talbot (1584-1654) as the daughter-in-law of Anne Howard (DeAcre) (1557-1630). This brings the name into the "pale".
Cowle - Reany & Wilson, p. 113, sub Cowell, Cowwell cites Henry de …. Cowle to 1511. Also Arthur William Moore, "The Surnames and Placenames of the Isle of Man," p. 61, cites "McGilCowle, McCowle, McCowell, Cowle [1511] "
Name Comments:
Alys Mackyntoich
(Elmet) at 2010-05-01 20:31:26 (
Reply )
The documentation supports <Aletheia> not <Alethea>
In addition to the entry under Cowell, Reaney & WIlson p. 105 s.n.
Coll cites Thomas Cowles (1568)
I found no conflicts.
Lillia de Vaux
(Eastern Crown) at 2010-05-06 22:27:13 (
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I found mention of an English ship called Alethea
in 1617-8 in 'Preface', Calendar of State Papers Relating to English
Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 15: 1617-1619 (1909), pp.
V-L. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=88659&strquery=Alethea
and 'Venice: January 1618, 2-10', Calendar of State Papers Relating to
English Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 15: 1617-1619 (1909),
pp. 90-103. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=88668&strquery=Alethea.
Unfortunately, most of the records I've found so far on Alethea,
Countess of Arundel appear to have been normalized. (They use the
submitted spelling, btw.)
In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wenceslas_Hollar_-_Altheia,_Countess_of_Arundel_%28State_1%29.jpg,
the caption of the etching (1646) has it spelled "Alathea".
Alisoun MacCoul
of Elphane (Metron Ariston) at 2010-05-12 20:25:30 (
Reply )
The
citation in Reaney and Wilson looks to me as if it were claiming that
spelling of the byname as a Manx usage. Certainly, it is found with a
source north of the border as Black (Surnames of Scotland,
s.n. Coull) notes one David Cowle a Scot who had English
letters of naturalization dated to 1481.
5: Cristiano Martelli - New Name
Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for Italy, 15th century.
Cristiano - Josh Mittleman & Brian Scott (Arval Benicouer & Talan Gwynek), "Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names", <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14given.html#table>, cites this name.
Martelli - "Family Names Appearing in the Catasto of 1427" <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto/family_names.html> cites this name.
Name Comments:
Alys Mackyntoich
(Elmet) at 2010-05-01 20:32:59 (
Reply )
Confirmed the documentation; found no conflict.
Alisoun MacCoul
of Elphane (Metron Ariston) at 2010-05-12 20:31:38 (
Reply )
Both elements of the name can actually be documented from Florence. Cristiano
appears with eleven instances in the list of given names from the Tre
Maggiori at http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/name1.html.
Additionally, the same source as used to document the byname shows two
instances of Cristiano as a given name (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto/names.txt).
6: Debatable Lands, Barony-Marche of the - New Acceptance of Transfer of Heraldic Title
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1975, .
Comet Pursuivant
The Barony-Marche desires to accept the transfer of the heraldic title, Comet Pursuivant, from the Kingdom of Æthelmearc. This is permitted per the Administrative Handbook, II.B.4.b., which states:
b. Other Branch titles: Titles for heralds in service to local branches. These may be registered to the kingdom to which the branch belongs or to the branch in which they will be used, at the discretion of the kingdom. In either case, the kingdom must approve the form of any heraldic title.The appropriate paperwork has been filed.
7: Egill the Dane - Resub Badge
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 1992, via the East.
[Fieldless] An acorn bendwise Or
His previous badge submission, [Fieldless] An acorn vert capped Or, was returned by Laurel in March, 2009, with the following comment:
This badge is returned for conflict with the badge of Alyne Strangwych, (Fieldless) An acorn vert, and the badge of Muin maqq Mínaín, Argent, an acorn enflamed vert. The cap is less than half the charge, so there is not a CD for changing the tincture of only the cap, leaving a single CD for the submission being a fieldless design. The enflaming on Muin's badge is not large enough to count for difference.This submission fixes the conflict by changing both the tincture and the orientation of the acorn. We have read the precedents and see only that placement on the field (in chief, for example) vs a fieldless badge does not count for a CD. We believe that this does not refer to orientation (bendwise vs. palewise). Thus this is close to but clear of: John Marshall atte Forde, August of 2009 (via the East): (Fieldless) An acorn Or between and conjoined to two bars wavy couped azure. 1 Zen CD for Fieldlessness, 1 for removing the bars. Against the multiple fieldless badges of different tinctures, including Aldgudana Gunnarsd--ttir,April of 2003 (via An Tir): (Fieldless) An acorn per pall sable argent and Or, this is clear by the Zen CD and 1 cd for change of tincture. Close to but clear of: Linnett Marie de Ryes, November of 2006 (via Atenveldt): (Fieldless) An acorn winged Or. 1 Zen CD and 1 for removing the wings or 1 for the orientation (bendwise vs. palewise). Close to but clear of: Drei Eichen, Barony of, October of 1996 (via Drachenwald): Azure, an acorn Or. We see the Zen CD plus one for orientation.
Correction (2010-May-13 09:05:34): Submitter wishes this badge to be associated with the alternate name Brecc Ruad which was registered to the submitter via Æthelmearc in March, 2009.
Badge Comments:
Solveig Throndardottir
at 2010-05-06 15:46:55 (
Reply )
If badges are indeed items attached to other things, then I have a
great deal of difficulty county difference for orientation of fieldless
badges. Counting conflict between <fieldless> an acorn Or and
<fieldless> an acorn bendwise Or does not appear to be a problem
with this particular badge. In the example cited:
"(Fieldless) An acorn winged Or. 1 Zen CD and 1 for removing the wings
or 1 for the orientation (bendwise vs. palewise). " there is one CD for
fieldless and one CD for removing the wings. There is no need to try to
use orientation to achieve difference.
The problem with counting difference for orientation is rather
obvious. Many objects which would receive a badge do not themselves
have a preferred orientation. Consequently, orientation can only be
relative within the badge design itself.
Jeanne Marie Lacroix
(Noir Licorne) at 2010-05-06 19:46:26 (
Reply )
However, that's not how the rules currently work. A CD is
granted for orientation regardless of whether the armory is a badge or
a device.
Alisoun MacCoul
of Elphane (Metron Ariston) at 2010-05-12 20:33:55 (
Reply )
Agreed. There is ample precedent for granting difference for
orientation in fieldless badges though no difference can be granted for
a position above or below the normal central position on a field.
8: Ottilige von Rappoltsweiler - New Name
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for Germany.
Ottilige - Bahlow, Hans. Deutschland Geographiche Namenwelt, p. 360, sub Ottilie, cites this name <n.d>
Rappoltsweiler - Dauzat, Albert and Rostaing, Charles. Dictionnaire Etymologique des Noms de Lieux de la France, p. 566, sub Ribeauville, cites this place name <n.d.>
Name Comments:
Gotfrid von Schwaben
at 2010-05-05 16:34:03 (
Reply )
<<Ottilige>>: The name does not appear in Bahlow's
Deutschlands geographische Namenwelt, but was found in his Deutsches
Namenlexikon, pg. 370 [German ed.] and is undated other than refering
to the name as being from the 'Middle Ages'. Socin, ppg. 60 & 93,
s.v. <Otelie> and <Otilia> respectively, yields more
information. It was originally a feminine given name of Germanic origin
which spread to other areas and returned to German usage as a foreign
baptismal name. Socin lists the following dated entries: <Otilia>
12th/13th c. [via the Monumenta Germaniae, Necrologia, v. I,
specifically the Nocrologium Fischingense, 12th/13th c.],
<Othilia> ibid., <Otelie> 1279, and <Ottilie> 1295.
<<Rappoltsweiler>>: Brechenmacher, v.2, pg. 373,
header entry, shows the name to be a locative for the town of
Rappoltsweil in the Alsace region and lists <Anselm Rapolczwilre>
dated to 1415.
To get closer to the spelling submitted by the client, a bit
more digging is required. Berger(1) describes the Ortsname suffix
<-weiler> as the etymon(2) of settlement names [Siedlungsnamen]
with a meaning of 'small colony or settlement'. It goes on to say "Seit
dem 7. Jh. [Jahrhundert] tritt -weiler in deutschen und
französischen
ON [Ortsnamen] auf, meist in Verbindung mit einem PN [Personennamen],
z. B. [zum Beispiele] Annweiler aus 1192 Annewilre >Gehöft des
Anno<, Duttweiler aus um 965 Dudenwilre >Gehöft des
Dudo<.
[[The etymon] -weiler appears in German and French placenames since the
7th c., mostly in conjunction with a personal name, for example,
Annweiler from Annewilre [dated to] 1192 (homestead/farmstead of Anno),
Duttweiler from Dudenwilre (homestead/farmstead of Dudo) [dated to]
around 965.] An additional dated spelling of the etymon can be seen
listed as <Rotwilare> 763.
Now, for the prototheme personal name, Brechenmacher, v.2, pg.
372, s.n. <Rap(p)ol(d)t, -olter> lists <Heinrich u. Rappolt,
gebrüder von Ortenberg> 1200 [Heinrich and Rappolt, brothers
from
Ortenberg]. With these two pieces of the puzzle in hand, an alternate
period spelling of <Rappoltswilre> or <Rappoltswilare> is
plausible and much closer to what the client desires.
Additionally, in this case, as <Rappoltsweiler> already
indicates the person is from the town of <Rappoltsweil>, the
"von" becoms superfluous.
(1) Berger, Dieter. Geographische Namen in Deutschland:
Herkunft und Bedeutung der Namen von Ländern, Städten, Bergen
und
Gewässern, Mannheim. Dudenverlag, 1999.
(2) Grundwort is a term often used in onomastic texts and
translates as a primary word or etymon. It literally means "ground
word". To say it is just a "root word" doesn't quite do justice to the
full meaning of the term. The term etymon actually catches the full
flavor of the term Grundwort, but is most likely much lesser known. As
a result, I have used the term etymon where appropriate.
Merriam-Webster defines etymon [plural etyma or etymons] as "1a) an
earlier form of a word in the same language or an ancestral language;
b) a word in a foreign language that is the source of a particular
loanword; 2) a word or morpheme from which words are formed by
composition or derivation."
Alisoun MacCoul
of Elphane (Metron Ariston) at 2010-05-12 20:44:37 (
Reply )
Though the given name is not dated in the cited location, I think it is
a reasonable orthography given that Scott's "Medieval German Given
Names from Silesia" (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/bahlow_v.htm)
shows Ottilie dated to 1348 and Otilge dated to 1370.
As Gotfridus noted, with the form ending in -er the preposition
von is superfluous. So you would have the byname as either
Rappoltsweiler or von Rappoltsweil. Under our
current protocols dropping the von would appear to be a major
change which she does not allow, so I suspect dropping the -er
is the way to go as it probably should not be considered a major change.
9: Petr Kotok - New Badge
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2007, via Æthelmearc.
Quarterly gules and sable, a sickle within a bordure Or
We believe that this is close to but clear of: Davan inn Spaki, April 1992 (via Atenveldt): Sable, a sickle bendwise Or within a bordure argent. 1 CD for field, another for tincture of the bordure. Also close to but clear of: Rorik Gunnulfsson, October of 1976: Sable, a sickle fesswise, blade to chief, within a bordure, all Or. Again, 1 cd for the field, another for the orientation of the sickle.
Badge Comments:
Lillia de Vaux
(Eastern Crown) at 2010-05-07 14:14:56 (
Reply )
Against Davan inn Spaki you also get a CD for the change in orientation
of the sickle.
Alisoun MacCoul
of Elphane (Metron Ariston) at 2010-05-12 20:50:20 (
Reply )
It is perhaps relevant that his device, registered through
Æthelmearc
in September, 2008, is "Quarterly gules and sable, a bezant between
eight sickles in annulo hafts to center Or."
10: Raven Whitehart - Resub Device
OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2009, via Æthelmearc.
Per chevron ployé argent and vert, two ravens purpure and a stag salient argent
Her original submission, Argent, two ravens purpure and on a point pointed vert a stag salient argent, was returned by Laurel in July, 2009, with the following comment:
This device is returned for blurring the distinction between a point pointed and a per chevron ployé line of division. The top of the line of division on this submission rises only to the center of the field. A per chevron line should ideally reach nearly to the top of the field. A point pointed should rise no higher than the bottom third of the field.This resubmission attempts to resolve the problem by substituting the point pointed with the per chevron ployé line. While we believe that the line should be drawn higher into the chief of the field, we do not feel that is a cause for return.
This is close to but clear of: Volradus Tammius (12/00 Atlantia) -- Per chevron argent and vert, three birds volant contourny wings addorsed one and two purpure and a plate. There is a CD for changing the number of charges; there may be a CD for cumulative changes to the charge group (changing just the type of bottom-most charge alone is not sufficient, as it is less than half of the charge group, but the change of posture of the birds may push it to the clear side. Also clear of: Einarr inn spaki (2/07 Calontir) -- Per chevron argent and vert, two ravens addorsed sable and a bear rampant argent.; Gwalchmai Wynber vap Bran (11/88 An Tir) -- Per chevron argent and vert, two ravens rising addorsed, wings displayed, sable, and a fir tree argent.; Kian hrafn af Dyrnesi (8/93 Atenveldt) -- Per chevron throughout argent and vert, two ravens respectant sable and a reindeer's head erased argent, collared sable and chained Or.; Gwyn Chwith ap Llyr (11/96 West) Per chevron argent and vert, three owls contourny counterchanged. In each case, there is a CD for changes to the birds (either tincture or posture) and one for changing type of the bottom-most charge; there may or may not be one for changing the orientation of some of the birds. Also clear of: Lillias Collingbourne (8/01 Meridies) -- Per chevron argent and purpure, two hummingbirds rising respectant wings addorsed and a lotus in profile counterchanged. There is a CD for changing half the field. There is a CD for changing the posture of the birds and there should be one for changing the type of the bottom-most charge; there may or may not be one for changing the orientation of some of the birds. Finally, clear of: Victoria Pringle (5/08 Atlantia) -- (Fieldless) Three birds close conjoined in annulo purpure. There is a CD for field vs. fieldless and one for arrangement of the charges.
Herald of Record: Yvianne de Castel d'Avignon
Device Comments:
Elizabeth Turner
de Carlisle (Lion's Blood) at 2010-05-13 13:04:27 (
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I have no problem calling this a per chevron ployé line.
It is too high to be a point pointed ployé.
11: Ullrych Sturm - New Device
OSCAR finds the name on the Æthelmearc LoI of October 25, 2009 as submitted.
Paly bendy azure and argent, three chevronels sable
His name appears on AE 121, which was ruled on at Laurel in February. We await the results, but I firmly believe the name has been/will be registered. Just in case it is needed, the submitter has a letter of permission to conflict from Sitric McConnel:Checky vert and Or three chevronels sable, registered September, 1999, via Artemesia.
Device Comments:
Domhnall na
Moicheirghe (Goutte d'Eau) at 2010-05-01 19:59:53 (
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The field as drawn is not paly bendy as neither set of parallel lines
is vertical. The field is drawn as the arms of Bavaria: Lozengy
bendwise azure and argent.
I'm having trouble making out the chevronels as they lie mostly on
azure rather than argent.
The letter of permission is needed, as this does conflict with Siric
McConnel. No other conflicts found.
Cormac Mor (Battlement)
at 2010-05-02 00:26:26 (
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I have no problem seeing the chevrons.
Lillia de Vaux
(Eastern Crown) at 2010-05-07 14:16:08 (
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I agree.
Elizabeth Turner
de Carlisle (Lion's Blood) at 2010-05-13 13:35:12 (
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I have no trouble making out the chevronels. I also agree that this is lozengy
bendwise and not paly bendy.
Bruce Draconarius of
Mistholme (Batonvert) at 2010-05-01 20:13:21 (
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The field isn't Paly bendy, which would have vertical lines
intersecting with bendwise lines (i.e., at a 45-degree slant). This is lozengy
bendwise, the field of the arms of Bavaria. Not that this conflicts
with Bavaria, but let's blazon it right.
You will need the LoPtC from Sitric: between the two armories
there's a single CD, for the cumulative changes to the field. I found
no other conflicts.