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Letter of Intent #65
Margaret Makafee, Sigil Herald



Unto Ailis Garnet, Roana, Cornelian, Margaret, Sigil sends greetings and fond wishes for your good health and happiness.

Here's my comments on AE65. All armory was checked for conflict; no conflicts found unless otherwise noted.

1. Æthelmearc
As a scribe, I can't say I would have chosen that badge...

Are the letters Or? The blazon would suggest this, but the mini suggest they are, in fact, sable. They need to have good contrast with the scroll...

I respectfully disagree with Aryanhwy that this violates the precedent on overall charges on fieldless badges. The precedent states "Eclipse's example got me to thinking, however, and I've realized that there are cases where a fieldless badge could acceptably use an overall charge. The cases are those where one or both of the charges were long and slender, making the area of intersection small --- e.g. A sword, blade surmounted by an anvil. Such a badge would have all its charges identifiable, and be well in keeping with period style." In this case, one of the charges, the scroll, is long and skinny, and the area of intersection is at least as small as in the example above.

To the Comet commenting group - as a scribe, I may not like this badge, but a concensus amongst the scribal community is not necessary for the Sylvan Signet to register such a badge-a good idea, perhaps, if she expects folks to actually use the thing, but not required.

2. Arabella MacGrath
Name registered 10/01

3. Caireann Ó Mórdha
Caireann is described as "mother of Niall of the Nine Hostages, legendary ancestress of the high-kings of Ireland". As such, the given name may not be registerable -- it has not been registered before, so there is no precedence on this matter.

Also, this combines a Gaelic feminine given name with a masculine patronymic -- which is grammatically incorrect in Gaelic. A search on Mordha in Celt Text shows examples of both Mael Mordha and Maol Mordha (without the accent in both cases), so the name should be appropriate for both Middle Irish Gaelic and Early Modern Irish Gaelic. Therefore, assuming Caireann is registerable, I would suggest Caireann ingen uí Mordha. Note that lenition is not written with "M" in Middle Irish Gaelic.

5. Gunther Schwartzrosen
Registered May 2002 as Günther Schwarzrose
To Aryanhwy:This is simple armory per X.4.j.ii; as such, since the type of every charge lying directly on other charges is substantially changed, the change in type alone is worth a CD. Therefore, between this and Bethia's arms, there is a CD for field, and a second for changing the type of every member of the tertiary charge group.

6. Gwilym ap Dafydd
To Aryanhwy: I think the article in question may be CA#66 - A Welsh Miscellany.

7. Johann Schülein
The problem with equilateral triangles is that, on a bend palewise or otherwise they look pretty much the same. I didn't realize these were supposed to be palewise inverted until I saw the blazon, and even then I have to squint to really see it.

8. Johann Wülfken
Clear of Ciar O Byrne registered in December of 2001 (via Atlantia):Argent, on a chevron gules between two reremice and a raven close sable three scourges in chevron handles to sinister argent; since Johann's arms are X.4.j.ii simple, changing the type of the tertiaries clears the conflict.

10. Rioghnach ni Rose
Name: I probably suggested this in the twilight of my time as Garnet. Looking at it now, I'm not 100% convinced its registerable, but here goes.

Ríognach appears, sn Rígnach, in O'Corrain and Maguire, who say there are two saints of the name, Saint Rígnach whose feast day is 18 dec and St Rínach, sister of Saint Finnén of Clonard. This is probably an Early Modern Irish form (a modern Irish form is also given).

ni - is a reputed to be a post period anglicization of inghean used in Scotland. I would not be surprised to find it in late period anglicizations of Gaelic, given that I have examples of Katherene NicClaartie, Christian Nichean vic Couil vic Gillespie, and Ewphrick Nikccoll. Given the C in Clarty and Cool, and also that Nichean vic is spelled out in one of the names, these are probably examples of "ni" rather than "nic". The names are from Papers relating to the Murder of the Lord of Calder, published by the Scottish Historical Society. The papers are court records dating to 1591.

Rose is a possible anglicization of the Irish Ross, Russ (sn Ross, Russ, O'Corrain and Maguire). Mari's article Index of Names in Irish Annals show Ross and Rosa as Early Modern Irish Gaelic forms of this name. Black sn Ross records a John de Rosse in 1484, the language is different, but the sounds should be similar enough to make this a reasonable translation. Therefore ni Rose would be "inghean Ross" in Gaelic

Arms: The cats are "domestic cats". It's unclear to me whether the roses are co-primaries with the cats (since the sizes are about equal), or secondaries (as the positioning would suggest). I've checked for conflict both ways.

11. Robert of Worcester
Reblazon "Purpure, a bend argent between two crosses couped Or a bordure argent". The bend needs some serious bend chow.

Nicolaa de Bracton's article, A Statistical Survey of Given Names in Essex Co., England, 1182-1272 (available from http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs) lists 339 examples of <Robert> in that data.

12. Thomas Hessen
There is a late 16th C lyricist and composer, Moritz von Hessen (Landgraf von Hessen-Stiftung) (New Grove Encylopedia of Music and Musicians online, http://www.grovemusic.com/shared/views/article.html?section=music.19144, who wrote the lyrics for one of John Dowland's madrigals. If he wants to be "Thomas from Hesse", then Thomas von Hessen is the way to go.

13. Wolfgang Güntherson
Talan Gwynek's article, Medieval German Given Names from Silesia , http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/bahlow/bahlowMasc.html, cites Gunther (without the umlaut) between 1240 and 1420. Wolfgang appears in 1491 and 1527.

If this is German, then the byname mixes two languages. The German for "son" is "sohn". I don't know whether German uses marked patronymic bynames, but Gunthersohn or perhaps Guntherssohn would be my guess if they did.

Arms are clear of Asclin Thorne registered in November of 1984 (via the West):Vert, three wolf's teeth issuant from sinister, in dexter chief a pheon Or with a CD for field changes and a second for the secondary charge in Asclin's arms.