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Letter of Intent #77
Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon



Feast of St. Maughold
27 April, AS XXXVIII

Greetings from Myfanwy!

Herein pray find commentary on Æ LoI #77. I got a jump on it by looking at it online (before _The Æsh_ came out this month, but got a bit sidetracked instead of getting it completed. (It's still before the deadline, though, so I'm happy.) Conflict-checking was done in the online O&A, but not any of the LoARs. I remain your servant and the Society's.


1. Ældric of Logan -- Sable, a griffin couchant contourny wings inverted and addorsed and on a chief dancetty argent three roses sable barbed and seed vert.

The Reaney and Wilson docs for both name elements are as given (pp. 5-6 and p. 283, respectively).

It's kinda too bad that the submitter wasn't going for more authenticity -- the forms "Alurici" and "Ailric were dated to 1209 (which would have made it a really good name) and the forms "Aldric" and "Aldrich" to 1275.

The chief is a bit high on the field. It should come down lower, even if that means making the griffin a bit smaller. I'm not sure whether or not it should be reblazoned as "indented" -- I believe that current practice would assume that "dancetty" would be reserved for ordinaries like fesses, in which the *entire* charge would zigzag (not just the line of division).

I don't know if there is a default wing position for couchant critters with wings. The part in the blazon about inverting and addorsing the wings may or may not be necessary, but I'm inclined to err on the side of caution and let it stand.

Are the roses really supposed to be seeded the same tincture as the barbing?

The griffin is very nicely drawn, BTW.

Possible reblazon: Sable, a griffin couchant contourny [wings elevated and addorsed] and on a chief indented [of three points] argent three roses sable barbed and seeded vert.

clear of: Aodhnait inghean mhic Chárthaigh (5/98 West) -- Sable, a griffin segreant and on a chief argent three fleurs-de-lys sable.
There is a CD for changing the posture of the griffin and one for changing to a complex line on the chief; there is, however, only change of type on the tertiaries.

possibly clear of: Kirk FitzDavid (1/88 West) -- Sable, a triskelion arrondy and on a chief indented argent three abaci sable.
I think this is X.2 (or X.1? I'm still fairly bad on the RfS) for complete change of primary charge. There is, however, only change of type on the tertiaries.


2. Ældric of Logan (badge) -- (Fieldless) A griffin couchant contourny wings elevated and addorsed argent.

The same question about the blazon of the wing position arises here.

Very nicely drawn!

Nice badge!

clear of: Serena Lascelles (badge, 7/96 Ansteorra) -- (Fieldless) A griffin passant argent.
clear of: Brandon D'Arindel (badge, 3/83 West) -- (Fieldless) A male griffin segreant argent.
clear of: Giles of Griffin Hill (badge, 7/82 Atlantia) -- (Tinctureless) A griffin sejant erect coward affronté, wings and forelegs displayed.
In each case, there is a CD for fieldless vs. fieldless, and one for the posture of the griffin.

clear of Tnek the Ainissestor (10/76 ??) -- Per bend sinister sable and gules, a griffin segreant to sinister argent.
clear of: Tnek the Ainissestor (badge, 7/83 Atlantia) -- Per bend sinister sable and gules, a griffin sejant to sinister argent.
clear of: Morgan Silverlocke (8/84 East) -- Quarterly counter-ermine and gules, a griffin sejant to sinister, sinister forepaw elevated, argent.
clear of: Griffin Val Drummond (7/74 ??) -- Per pale purpure and azure, a griffin segreant argent, bearing in its dexter talon a morgenstern, and in its sinister talon a targe charged with a tower azure.
clear of: Brandon D'Arindel (3/97 West) -- Sable, a male griffin rampant argent.
clear of: Balthazar fitz Gryphon (8/97 Middle) -- Vert chapé ployé, a griffin segreant contourny argent.
In each case, there is a CD for field vs. fieldless, and one for changing the posture of the griffin.

clear of Úna inghen uí Gairbhíne (1/94 An Tir) -- Per bend sable and vert, a griffin couchant argent.
There is a CD for field vs. fieldless, and one for switching the griffin from facing dexter to facing contourny.


3. Aidan Ransford -- Argent. semy of raindrops azure, on a fess azure a bridge of two spans argent.

The Withycombe docs are as given (p. 7). Additionally, ÓC & M (pp. 13-14, sn Áedán: Aodhán) says:

This is a relatively common name in early Ireland, both for clerics and laity. It was borne by some twenty-one saints.... Perhaps the most famous bearer [p. 14] of the name was Áedán, the missionary sent by Iona to christianise [sic] the north of England and who founded the monastery of Lindisfarne. The name is commonly anglicised [sic] Aidan [sic] and Edan [sic]....

The Reaney and Wilson docs are as given (p. 372).

The detailing stone/brick work on the bridge is very small, and probably unnecessary. It makes it look like weird spots, especially in the mini-emblazon. The fess is very wide, but I'm surmising that it was done to make the bridge as large as possible.

According to the PIC-DIC (s.n. Bridge) the towers are part of the default emblazon.

This is a case where knowing (and correctly using) the jargon makes the blazon shorter. Blue gouttes are "goutty des larmes". It would be nice if more period-style drops had been used, and they should be somewhat larger (and perhaps a bit fewer) but this is probably registrable.

Possible reblazon: Argent, goutty de larmes, on a fess azure a bridge of two spans argent.

Possible reblazon: Argent, goutty, on a fess azure a bridge of two spans argent.

possibly clear of: Ippolita Giachetta d'Alessandria (10/97 An Tir) -- Argent goutty des larmes, on a lozenge ployé throughout azure a swan rousant wings displayed argent.
There is a CD for changing the the fess to a lozenge, and probably one for the complex line of division. There may not be one for the tertiary, since it is a change of type and not of number or tincture.

possibly clear of: Constantia Tattersall (9/02 An Tir) -- Argent goutty, on a chamfron azure a cross patonce argent.
There is a CD for changing the type of primary charge. There may not be one for the tertiary, because, like the previous call, there is only a change of type.

possibly clear of: Ulrich der Blaurabe (8/84 Ansteorra) -- Argent, a fess azure fretty argent between a raven close azure and a weaver's shuttle fesswise proper.
possibly clear of: Marco Andrea Vendramin Veneziano (2/92 Atenveldt) -- Argent, on a fess azure between four towers sable, three and one, a lymphad argent.
possibly clear of: Beautrice Hammeltoune (6/98 Æthelmearc) -- Argent, on a fess azure between three cinquefoils pierced gules, a griffin statant argent.
possibly clear of: Sanchia the Sly (6/91 Trimaris) -- Argent, on a fess azure between three mullets and a mountain sable, a winged boar courant argent.
possibly clear of: Donal Winterwolf (8/85 West) -- Argent, on a fess between a wolf's head erased and another erased, reversed and inverted azure, a snowflake argent.
possibly clear of: Baldred Elphinstone of Torwood (5/92 Atlantia) -- Argent, on a fess between three hunting horns reversed azure stringed and banded gules, a palm tree couped argent.
possibly clear of: Arianwen Megan McBride of Arainn (2/92 Caid) -- Argent, on a fess between two arrows fesswise reversed azure, a Wake knot argent.
In each of these, there are probably CDs for changing the type and number (or type, number and color) of the secondaries; however, there is only change of type of the tertiary, not number or tincture.


4. Étaìn inghean Ruaidrí -- Per bend sinister azure and vert, two frogs sejant Or.

The ÓC & M docs for "Étaìn" are more or less as given (p. 90) -- *except* that there is a "´" mark over the "i" instead of a "`" . I checked in the pronunciation guide (p. 10) and "`" does not appear to be used in Irish; this is either a typo in the letter or on the form, and should be corrected before being sent up to Laurel. ÓC & M says:

There is a St [sic] Étaín of the royal race of Connnacht [sic] who is patroness of Tumna, Co [sic] Roscommon, and whose feast-day is 5 July. Étaín was the name of a daughter of Fínghin Mór Mac Carthaigh, who flourished in the middle of the thirteenth century, and the name occurs among the O Connors, O Haras and O Flannagans in the later middle ages.

The ÓC & M docs for "Ruaidrí" are as given (p. 158). Interestingly enough (like Étaín) ÓC & M says: "Ruaidrí was especially favoured [sic] by the O Connors of Connacht throughout the middle ages."

clear of conflict


5. Kjøtvi Thorgrimsson

The name in Geirr Bassi is actually "Kj{o,}tvi"; I don't know enough about oemnastics to know if "ø" is an equivalent letter or sound.

The byname source is as given (I can't figure out how to make the correct letter; I'm guessing that the Daud notation is something like {p'}. I do wonder, though, that since it was in the submission info, that *someone* has the right key cap function, and wonder why it wasn't actually used in the submission as well. The patronymic formation appears to be as given.


6. Simon Savastian Caminante -- Quarterly argent and sable, a Latin cross bottony throughout gules and overall a weasel statant erect contourny Or.

The name docs for all elements are as given.

I'm not going to pretend to know if "Savastian" is okay as a surname, or if double surnames of this format are used in Spain (my understanding is that the standard modern form is the father's surname followed by the mother's surname, but I don't know if that's period practice as well.

Barring commentary at this level from someone more knowledgeable (like Elsbeth), this should probably be passed on up to Laurel and let someone like Juliana take a crack at it -- the submission cites her article, after all. Is the critter overall enough? Is it too much so? (It might be better to have the weasel bend-sinisterwise, if it's decided that the cross is too obscured). Note that while the blazon of the cross type is spelled as in the PIC-DIC (cf. Cross), the spellings in Parker are "bottonnée" [sic], "bottonny", "botone", and "botonny".

probably clear of Vavirenc Vlasok (6/85 Atenveldt) -- Quarterly argent and sable, a long cross throughout gules between in bend two crosses of Cerdana purpure.
There is a CD for changing the weasel to the two crosses, and possibly also ones for tincture and arrangement. There is probably one for changing the type of primary charge cross from "long" to "bottony", but both of them are throughout so I'm not entirely sure.

clear of Stephen Lazar (10/88 West) -- Quarterly argent and sable, a sword inverted gules surmounted by a pegasus courant reguardant, wings elevated and addorsed, Or.
There is a CD for changing the cross to a sword, and one for changing the weasel to a pegasus. Note however, that the arrangement of charges (one surmounted by another) is the same.

clear of: Eileen Fraser (10/92 Outlands) -- Barry wavy argent and azure, a cross gules surmounted in base by a closed book bendwise Or.
There is a CD for changing the field, and one for changing the weasel to a book. There is probably also one for the type of cross.

probably clear of: Lavan Longwalker (2/84 Atenveldt) -- Quarterly argent and papellonné sable and argent, a cross gules, in dexter chief a leather boot proper.
There is a CD for changing the weasel to a boot (and probably also for tincture and arrangement/location; there may or may not be a complete CD for field, since only the section and third traits are changed (and then not entirely); there is probably one for the type of cross.

probably clear of: Genevieve Fehrmann (12/86 Trimaris) -- Vairy Or and azure, on a cross formy quadrate throughout gules, a tortoise tergiant palewise Or.
There is a CD for changing the field. There is probably one for changing the type of cross, and probably one for changing the weasel to a tortoise, especially since the tortoise is a tertiary and not an overall charge.


Bibliography:
Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme [Bruce Miller] and Akagawa Yoshio [Kevin Munday]. _A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry: As Used in The Society for Creative Anachronism, 2nd. Ed., 1992_.
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Ó Corráin, Donnchadh, and Fidelma Maguire. _Irish Names_. Dublin: The Lilliput Press, 1981. 1990.
Parker, James. _A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry_. Rutland, VT: Charles E. Tuttle Co., Inc., 1970.
Reaney, P. H. and R. M. Wilson. _A Dictionary of English Surnames_, revised 3rd. Ed. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1997.
Withycombe, E. G. The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd. Ed. Oxford and New York: Oxford University Press, 1977.
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