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Letter of Intent #97
Aryanhwy merch Catmael
1. Ãsta Vagensdóttir - If the submitter wants the form with the
<e>, why doesn't she find some documentation for it? ;)
I'm not *positive*, but I believe that <Vagn> is one of those
names which ends in <-ar>, rather than <-s> in the genitive,
e.g. the byname should be <Vagnard{o'}ttir>.
Per precedent from 05/2002, two pallets is not equivalent to a paly
field, and I'd expect the same to hold true for two bars vs. barry,
so we don't have to check this against displayed birds, thank goodness!
I found no conflicts.
2. Creature Tywne Dragon - I'd make this "_all_ semy..." The fishhooks
aren't in their standard default, but instead are tipped. I believe
"bendwise" best describes their posture. I found no conflicts.
3. Desiderata Drake - Nice name!
The arms violate the "sword-and-dagger" rule:
"Griffith Jenner. Device. Per fess embattled sable and argent masoned
sable, in chief an A-frame plumb line between two pairs of compasses Or.
Commentary raised the issue of whether the use of both a compass and
an A-frame plumb line violates the "sword and dagger" rule. By precedent
this rule applies when the field (or a charge on the field) is charged with
two or more items between which there is (1) not a CD for type and (2)
enough visual similarity to cause confusion, but not so much similarity as
to be considered identical for heraldic purposes. RfS VIII.3 states in part
that "Elements must be used in a design so as to preserve their individual
identifiability." The "sword and dagger" principle illustrates one instance
where confusion between two (or more) separate charges compromises their
individual identifiability. Consensus in commentary and at the meeting
indicates that this design does violate RfS VIII.3 by the "sword and dagger"
rule." [LoAR 07/2004]
Precedent on birds and significant (i.e., CD) difference from the
01/2000 cover letter says:
"In the future I expect that I will be more likely to grant difference
between different types of birds when (a) they are (a) different in
period, (b) in a period posture, (c) drawn correctly, and (d)there is some
visual difference (i.e., there is really no visual difference between a
popinjay and a hawk)."
I have no idea about (a), and (b) and (c) look ok, but (d) definitely
not. I doubt that we'd give a CD between a goose and a duck, and they
are similar enough in looks as to be easily confusable.
4. Máel-dúin O'Donn - Unfortunately, neither element as submitted
is appropriate for 14th C Irish. Mari's "Index of Names in Irish
Annals: Masculine Given Names"
(http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/) has
<M{a'}el D{u'}in> only as late as 1090; it's probably not a good
choice for his period. The article also has the given name <Donn>,
found in 1263, 1302, and 1488, so <{O'} Duinn> is a fine byname
for his period; note that the genitive of <Donn> is <Duinn>, so
<O Donn> is not grammatically correct.
According to OCM s.n. M{a'}el D{u'}in, the Early Modern form of
the name (i.e., the form appropriate for the 14th C) is <Maol
D{u'}in>. However, OCM gives no evidence that the name remained
in to use as a given name through to the Early Moden period, and
without such evidence, the early modern form of the name is not
registerable.
<Donn> is also found in 757, so <M{a'}el D{u'}in hua Duinn> is
a reasonable early period Gaelic name.
I found no conflicts with the arms.
5. Morgan Holte - Nice name! <Holte> without the preposition can be
found 4 times in my "Index of Names in the 1582 Subsidy Roll of London"
(http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/london1582.html), which
also <Morgan> 6 times. I found no conflicts.
Nice arms, too! No conflicts found here either.
6. Tomassa Isolana - Her name was registered as <Tommasa Isolana>.
[web minister's note: This has since been corrected on the online versions of the ILoI.]
The comma after 'rising' is extraneous. This is clear of Giulietta da
Venezia (reg. 12/1995 via the East), "Per saltire purpure and sable,
a Russian firebird volant bendwise argent," with one CD for the field
and another for adding the gore. It may conflict with Cristobal degli
Glicine che Mangia Uome (reg. 08/1988 via Caid), "Sable, a peacock
rising, wings elevated and displayed, maintaining a sprig of wisteria,
all argent." There is one CD for the gore, but I don't know if there
is one for the wing posture, or for the type of bird. It may also
conflict with Domhnall Dubh Ó Ruairc (reg. 03/2005 via Ansteorra),
"Sable, an eagle rising wings addorsed within an orle argent." There's
one CD for the type of peripheral, and probably one for the type of
bird but I don't know.
7. Yngrid Yngvarsdottir - I agree that the use of the <Y> here in the
given name is fine, but if she wants authenticity, then it should be
<Yngri{dh}r>, as documented.
-Aryanhwy merch Catmael,
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