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Letter of Intent #99
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1.  Ceara Cháomhanach - The arms conflict with Alyanora of Vinca 
(reg. 2/75), " Argent, a periwinkle (Vince minor) proper", with one
CD for adding the charges in chief. Periwinkles conflict with roses,
and precedent from 06/1990 and 09/1996 says that Alyanora's periwinkle
conflicts with both purpure roses and azure roses.

The byname can be found used by women in Mari's "Annals Index" article,
which has <Gormlaith Chaomhanach> 1465. I found no conflicts with the
name.

2. Desiderata Drake - Vs. Nicoletta di Padova (reg. 08/1995 via the
East), "Gules, a swan naiant and on a chief wavy argent three roses
gules," with one CD for the field and one for the changes to the
tertiaries. This was the closest I found.

3. Eithne ingen Muirgen - I have to recommend that the arms be
returned for redrawing. Even after reading the blazon, it took me
at least half a minute to *find* the crescent on the fox; it simply
looks like natural markings not worth any difference, making this
conflict with Gregoire Reynard de Bourgogne (reg. 08/1978), "Per
chevron, barry wavy of ten Or and azure, and argent, a red fox sejant
proper."

The submitter should be told that <Eithne> does not mean 'Enya'.
I would expect the genitive of <Muirgen> to be <Muirgein>.

4. Emilia Benitez - The submitter might be interested to know
that women didn't in general take their husband's surnames in
Spanish. The given name is grandfathered to her; English/Spanish
combinations are a weirdness, but they are registerable. The docs
from Hanks & Hodges can be dropped, as they give no evidence for
the name being found in our period.

5. Rhydderich Hael, Barony of the - The Hungarian order was simply
"The Order of the Dragon" in our period. It did not receive the
adjective which is variously translated "defeated" and "overthrown"
until some time after our period, so these cannot be taken as
examples of period order names. Despite numerous people on
numerous occassions pointing out this error to Meradudd, he's still
never bothered to update his article noting this, which is rather
unfortunate.

The meta-patterns for order names discussed on the August 2005
cover letter support the use for orders named after heraldic charges,
and specifically says that these order names may contain the
ordinary names of heraldic tinctures, but this is the only type of
adjective discussed explicitly. Since many orders named after
heraldic charges took their names from their badges, it's *possible*
that <Dragons Combattant> is registerable, but I certainly wouldn't
want to send it forward without some evidence for other orders
named in this fashion in period.

It should have been noted on the ILoI when the group's name was
registered.

The badge conflicts with Damhnait of the Cleftlands (reg. 04/1998
via the MIddle), "Azure, two dragons combattant Or," with one CD
for the field.

6. Robert l’Etourdi - This conflicts with Nigel the Byzantine (reg.
10/1995 via Caid), "Purpure bezanty and a bordure Or," with one CD
for the field. RfS X.4.f says "Six and higher numbers, including
seme of charges, are not significantly different from each other,"
and there is no CD for the arrangement of the charges because it
is caused by the change in the number. Dropping the bordure would
bring this in to conflict with Cornwall (reg. 12/1994 via Laurel),
"Sable bezanty."

It also conflicts with Hróðgeirr Hróaldsson (reg. 12/2003 via the
West), "Vert, semy of roundels and a gore Or," with one CD for
the type of peripheral.

7. Snæbj{o,}rn Hákonarson - No conflicts found.

8. Tristan Gueguen de Rohan - <Tristan> can also be found in my
"Names from a 1587 Tax Roll from Provins"
(http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/provins1587.html) and
<Tristand> in my "Names Found in Commercial Documents from Bordeaux,
1470-1520" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/bordeaux.html).
S. Gabriel Report #2253 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2253) says:

"<Tristan> is a fine choice for your period. The name is found in France
from the 12th century onward [1]. In particular, we found <Tristan>
recorded in Paris during the 13th century [2] and <Tristand> in Bordeaux
c.1500 [3]"

citing Withycombe, Dauzat, and my Bordeaux article.

I wouldn't be surprised if <Gueguen> is what is being represented in
the entry in my Bordeaux article of <Jacob Guynygan>, whose surname
was also recorded as <Guegan>, <Guenuyn>, and <Guennygan>.

R&W s.n. Rohan has <de Roham> 1190, and my "Late Period French Feminine
Names" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/latefrench.html) has
<de Rohan> in 1459, 1527, 1545, 1553, 1566, and 1575.

9. Uesugi Kutarou Ietoyo - This conflicts with Marion Forester (reg.
04/2005 via the Middle), "Vert semy of dragonflies argent," with one
CD for the number of dragonflies.

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